ReplySubscribe
Thread Tools
Search this Thread
Yesterday, 8:44 am
#31
ATOBTTR
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Jun 2015
Location: Back in Reds Country (DAY/CVG). Previously: SEA & SAT.
Programs: DL DM 1MM, AA PLAT, UA Silver, Marriott Bonvoy Titanium
Posts: 10,937
Originally Posted by FlightNurse
It's not technically, it is the 5th largest city. The five largest cities in the United States by population, based on the most recent data, are:
- New York City, New York Population: Approximately 8.8 million
- Los Angeles, California Population: Approximately 3.9 million
- Chicago, Illinois Population: Approximately 2.7 million
- Houston, Texas Population: Approximately 2.3 million
- Phoenix, Arizona Population: Approximately 1.7 million
These rankings are derived from recent U.S. Census data and may fluctuate slightly with annual estimates. New York remains the largest, while Phoenix has seen significant growth, surpassing cities like Philadelphia.
Im really not sure what your point of arguing with me is or what point youre trying to make. I said OP was correct in stating that Phoenix is the fifth largest city in the US. What and I others pointed out is that this is not the relevant metric for looking at a population a given airport serves and thus OP misapplied this point. The MSA population (metro area) is the relevant metric (well, one of many relevant metrics), as noted by the fact that a city like El Paso has a larger population than Boston but no one is going to argue that El Paso should receive as much or more air service than Boston, given the extreme difference in metro size. And while within the city limits of Phoenix versus Philadelphia, Phoenix is the bigger city in terms of population, the Philadelphia metro area still has over 1 million more people than the Phoenix metro area though I will not be shocked if sometime in the down the road the Phoenix metro area surpasses the Philadelphia metro for total population as more people move to the Sun Belt.
Reply
Yesterday, 5:30 pm
#32
FlightNurse
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: PHX & AGP
Programs: AA LT PLT, DL Gold, Bonvoy LT Titanium, HH Diamond, National Executive Elite
Posts: 11,996
Originally Posted by dtwtransport
Snapshot. Flight counts xxx-PHX for today:
ATL: 6
MSP: 6
LAX: 5
SEA: 5
SLC: 5
DTW: 4
JFK: 3
BOS:1
PHX is a Temp Crew base for DL
Reply
Yesterday, 5:32 pm
#33
FlightNurse
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: PHX & AGP
Programs: AA LT PLT, DL Gold, Bonvoy LT Titanium, HH Diamond, National Executive Elite
Posts: 11,996
Originally Posted by emma dog
[Pedantic]
The word city is actually ambiguous. City can refer to the geographic boundaries as dictated by a state legislature, or it can refer to a collection of people in a higher concentration.
Population within borders doesnt matter for someone doing business. Its MSA as described above. This is because someone living in Decatur, GA, doesnt decide to not use ATL because theyre not incorporated into the city limits. Some cities, like JAX, have strangely large boundaries that distort the actual population size and density. Others, like ATL, are artificially small due to historical racism.
All this being said, the top three answers for the OP are:
1) the phx metro area makes it the #10 city by size
2) AA has a hub there and it has typical representation for being someone elses hub
3) it already has a lot of other flights from NYC airports
WN has a hub at PHX, PHX is a focus city for DL
Reply
Yesterday, 5:36 pm
#34
NilesStandish
Join Date: Mar 2024
Posts: 25
Originally Posted by FlightNurse
WN has a hub at PHX, PHX is a focus city for DL
PHX is an operating base for WN; they don't have "hubs"...yet. PHX has never, to my knowledge, been described as a focus city by DL currently or plans for such in the future.
dtwtransport likes this.
Last edited by NilesStandish; Yesterday at 6:23 pm
Reply
Yesterday, 5:37 pm
#35
NilesStandish
Join Date: Mar 2024
Posts: 25
Originally Posted by FlightNurse
PHX is a Temp Crew base for DL
For which crew members, in-flight???
Reply
Yesterday, 5:41 pm
#36
FlightNurse
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: PHX & AGP
Programs: AA LT PLT, DL Gold, Bonvoy LT Titanium, HH Diamond, National Executive Elite
Posts: 11,996
Originally Posted by NilesStandish
PHX is an operating base for WN; they don't have "hubs"...yet. PHX has never, to my knowledge been described as a focus city for DL currently or plans for such in the future.
Originally Posted by NilesStandish
For which crew members, in-flight???
DL has a Temp FA base here in PHX, they just extended it for another 6 months, but it has worked out very well for the crew and the FA's.
In regards as a focus city, the # of flights out of PHX keep climbing each year, the crew, I Have talked to say that PHX is a focus city, so that is what I'm going on, if you have other data to say differently, please present it
Reply
Yesterday, 5:43 pm
#37
emma dog
Moderator: Delta SkyMiles
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Hotlanta.
Programs: DL (duh), AA 1MM, Bonvoy Titanium, HH Diamond
Posts: 5,229
Originally Posted by FlightNurse
PHX is a Temp Crew base for DL
For what group? I dont think youre correct.
According to Delta Careers: Current [flight attendant] bases include ATL (Atlanta), BOS (Boston), CVG (Cincinnati), DTW (Detroit), FLL (Fort Lauderdale), HNL (Honolulu), JFK (New York City), LAX (Los Angeles), LGA (LaGuardia), MCO (Orlando), MSP (Minneapolis), PDX (Portland), SEA (Seattle), SFO (San Francisco), and SLC (Salt Lake City).
Reply
Yesterday, 5:48 pm
#38
ClipperDelta
Join Date: Jul 2004
Programs: DL; AA; UA; CO; LHLX; NZ; QR; EK; BA
Posts: 7,555
Originally Posted by emma dog
For what group? I dont think youre correct.
According to Delta Careers: Current [flight attendant] bases include ATL (Atlanta), BOS (Boston), CVG (Cincinnati), DTW (Detroit), FLL (Fort Lauderdale), HNL (Honolulu), JFK (New York City), LAX (Los Angeles), LGA (LaGuardia), MCO (Orlando), MSP (Minneapolis), PDX (Portland), SEA (Seattle), SFO (San Francisco), and SLC (Salt Lake City).
IIRC, Delta recently opened four new FA satellite bases (ie with no management on site): PHX; LAS; DFW and RDU.
NilesStandish likes this.
Reply
Yesterday, 6:19 pm
#39
NilesStandish
Join Date: Mar 2024
Posts: 25
Originally Posted by FlightNurse
DL has a Temp FA base here in PHX, they just extended it for another 6 months, but it has worked out very well for the crew and the FA's.
In regards as a focus city, the # of flights out of PHX keep climbing each year, the crew, I Have talked to say that PHX is a focus city, so that is what I'm going on, if you have other data to say differently, please present it
The only focus cities I have have ever known DL to publicly claim were RDU, BNA, AUS and SJC; all pre covid. I guess you could include CVG as well. Since covid they have publicly backed off BNA and SJC but still claim the other two to my knowledge. PHX happens to be a rather large outstation like LAS and MCO for example but I have never heard of it publicly or internally labeled as a focus city. The number of flights may be increasing but I don't believe any new cities have been added from PHX other than the hubs.
Reply
Yesterday, 6:22 pm
#40
NilesStandish
Join Date: Mar 2024
Posts: 25
Originally Posted by FlightNurse
DL has a Temp FA base here in PHX, they just extended it for another 6 months, but it has worked out very well for the crew and the FA's.
I'll buy that. I think I do remember them doing that for them. I just wanted to clarify. Thanks.
Reply
Yesterday, 6:30 pm
#41
emma dog
Moderator: Delta SkyMiles
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Hotlanta.
Programs: DL (duh), AA 1MM, Bonvoy Titanium, HH Diamond
Posts: 5,229
Originally Posted by FlightNurse
In regards as a focus city, the # of flights out of PHX keep climbing each year, the crew, I Have talked to say that PHX is a focus city, so that is what I'm going on, if you have other data to say differently, please present it
PHX is definitely not a focus city for DL. TPG article with a quote from Amy Martin where she states there are three focus cities: AUS, CVG, and RDU.
I'm lost right now... what does any of this have to do with the OP's question?
Reply
Yesterday, 8:48 pm
#42
WyomingBound
Join Date: Feb 2013
Programs: Delta DM MM, HH Diamond, Marriott Bonvoy Platinum Elite, TSA Pre-Check
Posts: 450
Originally Posted by FlightNurse
DL has a Temp FA base here in PHX, they just extended it for another 6 months, but it has worked out very well for the crew and the FA's.
In regards as a focus city, the # of flights out of PHX keep climbing each year, the crew, I Have talked to say that PHX is a focus city, so that is what I'm going on, if you have other data to say differently, please present it
Yeah PHX not a focus city but can confirm they have a FA base there as I spoke with a crew and have had a PHX based FA crew (who did a great job on my short ATL-BHM flight btw).......they confirmed it is a FA crew base and is very small but is a base.
Reply
Yesterday, 9:44 pm
#43
Crossinator
Join Date: Jul 2016
Location: NYC/LAX
Programs: Delta PM
Posts: 408
Originally Posted by FlightNurse
That happened very infrequently and pre-covid
Did 3 roundtrips on them in 2021. So not true.
Reply
ReplySubscribe
Show Printable Version
Email this Page
Reply Closed Thread
- First
- Prev
- 3 / 3
- Next
- Last
1
2
3
Forum Jump
Contact Us -Manage PreferencesArchive -Advertising -Cookie Policy -Privacy Statement -Terms of Service -
This site is owned, operated, and maintained by MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Designated trademarks are the property of their respective owners.
